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I have come to the conclusion from the four people that answered my "blog about this" meme that I apparently don't talk enough about a) animated TV series of any stripe or b) polyamory and my oftentimes tempestuous relationship(s) with(in) it.

clearly I need to fix this in the near future. and I think [livejournal.com profile] harinezumi is trying to subtly hint that I need to watch more anime. *whine* I barely have time for the TV i do actually watch... I still need to open and watch Get Smart Season 1... that was a Christmas present! Actually, many of my Christmas DVDs are still in the cellophane.

As for polyamory... I probably should talk about that more. I've been keeping so much of it close to my chest because it hasn't been all fairy farts and roses, but maybe writing about the warts and all will help me work through some of it. I don't know... saying okay, my relationships aren't perfectly happy feels weird to me even if it's true, like I'm betraying the poly cause by saying that I'm having, oh, normal relationship issues times 3. It sounds silly when you write it all down like that, just how it is, but it's true. It's like my continual guilt for being even remotely happy about any random weight loss I've been having because I kinda liked being fat as a political ideal or some shit... That's phrased badly, but I don't have my words working yet. But anyways. I'll try to get those going soon.

In superficial news, we watched 300 on the new set last night. That movie is just as patently ridiculous as the first time I saw it, but it is infinitely improved by the ability to snark the hell out of it MST3K style. The movie just gains something when you imagine Xerxes and his armies of mutants and dancing girls planning and executing midnight raids on the sale bin at Hot Topic. Ande he knew how to make an entrance... I mean, screw your Rolls Royces and your Bentleys, he gets to roll up sitting on a custom built Vegas hotel pulled by slaves. That's badass.

Date: 2008-03-12 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cell23.livejournal.com
I was going to mention something about poly in the "blog about" post but everyone seems to have covered it for me.... but here's something that may be an interesting mental exercise.

It's often difficult for people to recognize fully the drawbacks, consequences, or other negative impact of their actions or beliefs. Yet, in doing so, you can often find ways to overcome or improve these conditions, precisely becuase you are forced to examine the topic from a different perspective and apply critical thinking and logic to the situation. Unfortunately, the most common ways in which we confront problems with our actions or beliefs are confrontation or criticism from an external source.

So we play Devil's Advocate. We look at our own beliefs and construct arguments against them in order to learn how to counter these arguments. We make our positions stronger by challenging ourselves.

So, Devil's Advocate: why doesn't polyamory work?

Date: 2008-03-12 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kjpepper.livejournal.com
did you want me to write a post about this or did you want to engage in a lively debate via LJ comments?

Date: 2008-03-12 04:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cell23.livejournal.com
I was really just offering a suggestion. I am lazy and do not care either way.

Date: 2008-03-12 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kjpepper.livejournal.com
hmm. okay. then I'll write a post laterz then.

You didn't ask me, but I think about it a lot.

Date: 2008-03-12 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 11th-letter.livejournal.com
The short answer is: Humans in general don't get along very well. The more people that are involved in a social construct, the greater the chances for difficulties of every kind.
All long answers pretty much boil down to that.
From: [identity profile] cell23.livejournal.com
I had a long and complicated argument about it involving abstract formulae for personal resource management but then someone came in with a box of Thin mints and my attention span pretty much disappeared.

Date: 2008-03-12 05:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 11th-letter.livejournal.com
I think that it 'betrays' poly to portray it as supernaturally happy and smooth-running. Because people already are prone to saying "Well, if it works, then I guess it's okay," which is something they would never say about monogamy. Sometimes poly works and sometimes it doesn't (just like monogamy) and none of us are responsible for proving for proving the okayness of an entire model of relationships with the success or failure of ours.

Date: 2008-03-13 03:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] padparadscha.livejournal.com
I can see the reluctance, especially when your position is already defensive. People who are against it will seize upon any problem you have with it as SCIENTIFIC PROOFZ that it doesn't work, even when it's A) anecdotal evidence and B) perfectly normal. But hiding the bad parts is not you responsibility.

I don't want to pry out any details that you feel are private, but I would be willing to listen to the stories you want to share--firstly because you're a friend, and secondly for the more selfish reason that I'm curious as to how an amoeba works--I'd have a hard enough time with ONE person.

For the record, I was only willing to watch 300 the MST3k way--which has been done by the MST3k guys themselves, no less! It's hilarious. And so is the 53-second version.

Date: 2008-03-13 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wrpigeek.livejournal.com
(Here's hoping that Bigger Than Cheeses doesn't replace external image links with random porn.)


Date: 2008-03-13 03:43 pm (UTC)

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